Matthew Graves.

[rondn]

I am signed up to all of them but never invested money in them. Sound like we should just cancel all of his sites

[ckoch]

i actually do not pay attention to any of those sites anymore.  I try to steer clear

[weblord]

he has viral mailers that are very responsive to offers, i never upgraded with any of his sites.

[ckoch]

Just adding my name to the growing list.

 

I'm also owned a few hundred dating back 18 months.

 

His excuse is that he doesn't have a payout method for international customers as I'm in the UK.

When I suggest Bitcoin... no response.

 

I think it's time he was taken down.

Hey viraladstore.com I tried to join your program and captcha kept failing.  I'm a member from the very beginning and could not get into my old account so I tried to take out a new one.  Something is wrong with that captcha.

[firebyfifty]

Hi Everyone,

 

If I have 1 thing to thank Matthew for it is for helping me to find my way to this forum!

 

About 18 months, maybe 2 years ago I took the dive back in to the world of online marketing after a break of 5 or 6 years.

 

I somehow stumbled across the pre- launch of Matthew's Your Success Advantage, thought it looked innovative and a fit for a project I had in mind.

 

But yes, same old story as I am seeing here.

 

Paid my 1k USD which is significant for anyone, yes even those elusive 7 figure earner guru's, they don't become 7 figure earners being scammed by pond filth!

 

For me that was 1500 AUD, over a weeks pay for the average Aussie Earner before tax, not cheap.

 

I have received nothing!

 

In fact, I have received literally about 100 emails from Matthew trying to upsell me with upgrades at his various mailers as this will allow him to make me more commissions using my YSA account.

 

Problem is, YSA founding membership offered a 12 month upgrade at all his sites! Why on earth is he trying to sell me upgrades I have purchased but not received.

 

So after lots of hassling I managed to get him to agree to my upgrades which he did apply to 1 of his sites that he has just relaunched but not the rest. I stressed to Matthew that a large part of why I purchased his YSA product and service was for those upgrades on ALL of his sites. Crickets.......

 

Anyway, you all know the grotty fluff he has been selling without delivering so I won't go in to more detail.

 

What are everyone's thoughts on a formal complaint  to my bank + various other avenues such as fraud complaints. I know I won't get my money back and I know I will lose what little value I get from YSA (membership at all his mailers which I could have got for free without YSA!). But hey, even if it only slightly annoys him, wastes five minutes of his time etc that is still a win for me.

 

Thoughts? The only thing holding me back is I don't want to be that guy who complains just because they don't like the product they ended up with, am I wrong in thinking I have a right to take action considering in reality I haven't received my purchase?

 

But hey! On the bright side, thank you Matthew! I am now a forum user!

 

Cheers

Nate

 

So after some lengthy discussions with my bank as well as some expensive conversations with my lawyer I have contacted Matthew Graves with my initial request for a refund.

 

Of course, I hold little hope that Matthew Graves has any honour whatsoever and little hope that I will be refunded. In fact, my legal representation will very quickly cost me more than Matthew Graves stole from me but I simply cannot let it stand. It will be worth every red cent to take a stand against this alleged thief.

 

I will post any further updates as they occur.

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

What did your bank / credit card say? I am curious

[weblord]

good for me that i never upgraded to any of his websites though 1 i got automatically promoted or upgraded to premium since i got referrals about 10 in one day.

[firebyfifty]

What did your bank / credit card say? I am curious

 

My bank has a policy where they will protect me against fraudulent activities however this must be done within a certain time frame which I may have missed.

 

At this point, the bank is investigating on their end for me but what they actually do I am not sure.

 

There are 3 possible outcomes:

1. Bank refunds me and does nothing further as goodwill - covered by their insurance.

2. Bank refunds me and chases Matthew legal - My hope is this one as they will have more power than I do!

3. Bank decides I had ample opportunity to report this at the time and as I waited so long it isn't considered fraud - most likely outcome.

 

BUT, if you are ever scammed, it just goes to show the earlier you reach out to your bank or whatever other financial service provider you use the better off you will be. 

 

The bank also flags the transaction details as fraud and will warn other customers if Matthew hasn't changed his details yet.

[firebyfifty]

good for me that i never upgraded to any of his websites though 1 i got automatically promoted or upgraded to premium since i got referrals about 10 in one day.

 

I hope you have warned your referrals!

[weblord]

i don't know anyone of them to be honest yes but i forwarded this forum url to them.

I hope you have warned your referrals!

[downliner]

Heads up everyone the guy is back. I've been receiving multiple emails daily from him regarding his soon to launch Web's Best Traffic site where already he is charging "Early bird" discounts. 

 

At the end of the day if you are joining something to make money but are never getting paid the only reason left to continue to use it would be the traffic it provides to other sites you promote that actually pay but for me if both sides are not solid then the whole thing collapses eventually. Would you keep working in a job that doesn't pay you?

 

If i join a site for traffic and I enjoy using it then I may want others to experience it by joining me but if I am joining for Traffic and find no point in referring then who is going to continue to use the Traffic element knowing that 100% of your purchases are going to a scam owner?

 

So yeah be prepared for what's coming because Matthew still thinks he is an authority in this industry and at this point I don't think he will ever be in a position to redeem himself. I shudder to think of the accumulated, unpaid commission he must now owe on most if not all of his sites. I don't see how he could come back from this. 

 

As an aside someone needs to get onto Stripe which he uses for his CC payments and give them a link to this page as I think it explains quite well just how much of a con man Mr Graves really is. Also for anyone who used a CC to join his sites simply contact your bank to initiate a charge back as this not only gets you your money back but also comes with a charge back fee to the Stripe account used to facilitate the transaction. Before you know it the account will be in negative and that should prompt Stripe to act to prevent further charge backs. 

[Kai Kauai]

I recently read some of his interactions with people to whom he owed commissions and it was alarming.  Instead of showing some humility and being apologetic for the the delay, he basically told people that the more they hounded him about his lack of payment, the further down the list of his priorities he would put them.  I have shared messages with others to warn them that he is not someone to get involved with.

[davepilgrim]

I see he's still launching new sites

[Phil Banks]

I recently read some of his interactions with people to whom he owed commissions and it was alarming.  Instead of showing some humility and being apologetic for the the delay, he basically told people that the more they hounded him about his lack of payment, the further down the list of his priorities he would put them.  I have shared messages with others to warn them that he is not someone to get involved with.

That's exactly what he told me.

 

He said "The squeaky wheel doesn't get the grease, it gets replaced".

 

Utter stupidity. Why would you replace an entire wheel when all it needed whas a touch of grease ?

[Fenix]

Glad I found this forum feed. I'm a member of nearly all of Matt's cloned sites. Luckily I have not purchased anything from Matt. I was going to start utilizing his 'paid' version starting this year (2020) but thankfully I have been informed from this post. And to Zanezim, I'm assuming you're a business partner of Matt's? Otherwise you would be concerned for the weill being of others.  Of course we 'learn from it and move on', but It's a person's due diligence to 'alert' people of great concern's when it comes to investing money into programs, escpecially when they themselves are out money. 

 

With this said, I've had no issue with Matt's sites themselves. I surf, get credits  and advertise. My credits earn are pretty accurate. I have no clue if my ad's are really doing anything because I've yet to get a single referral or lead from my posts. I'm not worried about that as much because that falls on me for not being truly very active. So my results are going to be very low or none at all.  I also cannot comment on the responsiveness of support, as I have not had to use it. 

 

All in all, Its up to me to keep surfing for 'free' or take the risk and purchse some ads, or even become a business partner.  

 

Anyways, this is a great post and one that is very informative. 

 

 

[Fenix]

Hi Everyone,

 

If I have 1 thing to thank Matthew for it is for helping me to find my way to this forum!

 

About 18 months, maybe 2 years ago I took the dive back in to the world of online marketing after a break of 5 or 6 years.

 

I somehow stumbled across the pre- launch of Matthew's Your Success Advantage, thought it looked innovative and a fit for a project I had in mind.

 

But yes, same old story as I am seeing here.

 

Paid my 1k USD which is significant for anyone, yes even those elusive 7 figure earner guru's, they don't become 7 figure earners being scammed by pond filth!

 

For me that was 1500 AUD, over a weeks pay for the average Aussie Earner before tax, not cheap.

 

I have received nothing!

 

In fact, I have received literally about 100 emails from Matthew trying to upsell me with upgrades at his various mailers as this will allow him to make me more commissions using my YSA account.

 

Problem is, YSA founding membership offered a 12 month upgrade at all his sites! Why on earth is he trying to sell me upgrades I have purchased but not received.

 

So after lots of hassling I managed to get him to agree to my upgrades which he did apply to 1 of his sites that he has just relaunched but not the rest. I stressed to Matthew that a large part of why I purchased his YSA product and service was for those upgrades on ALL of his sites. Crickets.......

 

Anyway, you all know the grotty fluff he has been selling without delivering so I won't go in to more detail.

 

What are everyone's thoughts on a formal complaint  to my bank + various other avenues such as fraud complaints. I know I won't get my money back and I know I will lose what little value I get from YSA (membership at all his mailers which I could have got for free without YSA!). But hey, even if it only slightly annoys him, wastes five minutes of his time etc that is still a win for me.

 

Thoughts? The only thing holding me back is I don't want to be that guy who complains just because they don't like the product they ended up with, am I wrong in thinking I have a right to take action considering in reality I haven't received my purchase?

 

But hey! On the bright side, thank you Matthew! I am now a forum user!

 

Cheers

Nate

FirebyFifty, You have every right to complain and file a suit. False advertising. You purchased a product under false pretense. What you were told you would get you did not receive, therefore obvious fraud.  Also, you can add to your suit with deprivation. Deprivation of a product you purchased but did not get. So from the time that you would have your product until now is a deprived loss which can be recovered by tort damages ( lawsuit).  Basically, this means you've lose the enjoyment of your product for xxxx amont of time, and Matt is entitled to pay for that loss of enjoyment.  Your suit can add up substantially. And one I would recommend pursuing.  

 

hope this helps

[firebyfifty]

FirebyFifty, You have every right to complain and file a suit. False advertising. You purchased a product under false pretense. What you were told you would get you did not receive, therefore obvious fraud.  Also, you can add to your suit with deprivation. Deprivation of a product you purchased but did not get. So from the time that you would have your product until now is a deprived loss which can be recovered by tort damages ( lawsuit).  Basically, this means you've lose the enjoyment of your product for xxxx amont of time, and Matt is entitled to pay for that loss of enjoyment.  Your suit can add up substantially. And one I would recommend pursuing.  

 

hope this helps

 

Thanks Fenix,

 

I am no lawyer, but I am told it would be difficult to pursue being from a different country and while I still could and may win, it would be costly in time and money. For me, it hurt at the time, but was not something that broke me and I have (for now) tried to move on and focus on positive projects I am working on.

 

But thanks for the tip and support, I will certainly take a bit of time to look in to this option and see if it is worth the risk / cost.

[downliner]

FirebyFifty, You have every right to complain and file a suit. False advertising. You purchased a product under false pretense. What you were told you would get you did not receive, therefore obvious fraud.  Also, you can add to your suit with deprivation. Deprivation of a product you purchased but did not get. So from the time that you would have your product until now is a deprived loss which can be recovered by tort damages ( lawsuit).  Basically, this means you've lose the enjoyment of your product for xxxx amont of time, and Matt is entitled to pay for that loss of enjoyment.  Your suit can add up substantially. And one I would recommend pursuing.  

 

hope this helps

 

In many cases the purported 'Gurus' are the pond scum hence the 7 figures (the illusion of wealth is what drives them) so don't feel bad you trusted someone as that puts any marketer in a very dangerous situation where it can go either way but occasionally I see it go the way of believing everyone and everything online is out to scam you and that can really hurt your bottom line. 

 

Understand yes there are bad eggs and it's usually those marketing something that you would consider too good to be true and with very short timeframes given to achieve such results. However as you have seen from this Forum there are good eggs. Learn to spot the difference and you'll do much better in your chosen profession. BTW that advice was not aimed specifically at you as you may be more adept at Marketing but for anyone just starting out, take heed

[incomeskills]

Now he's promising DFY marketing with guaranteed results.  Packages are several hundred dollars or more for Elite.

 

NOPE!

[downliner]

Now he's promising DFY marketing with guaranteed results.  Packages are several hundred dollars or more for Elite.

 

NOPE!

 

Sounds like he is getting desperate now as he is also offering everyone who joins $100 if they fail. Now where did I hear that guarantee before? Ah yes Email Syndicate except in their marketing videos they didn't mention the $100 was just a number added to your account with a minimum withdrawal figure at $400 so you can never actually withdraw it unless you market their products for them with their referral link and make around 7 cents a click. You can imagine how many emails you would have to send out to get to that minimum withdrawal figure and in their case even those who did manage the minimum withdrawal were just ignored 

[firebyfifty]

Now he's promising DFY marketing with guaranteed results.  Packages are several hundred dollars or more for Elite.

 

NOPE!

 

I don't think this is really new, it sounds very much like his "Your Success Advantage" program (the one I was scammed by) with just a bit of a twist or spin. Doesn't look like this guy has done anything actually new in over a decade after reading this forum.

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

I just heard he is telling people that me and darren olander turned against him. And he is "more high profile" than us.

1) who cares about high profile

2) keep fooling yourself. I guess you trick others, and now your own self? that you're so high profile?

3) he started telling my members, privately, to not use my sites and those members then in turn told me.

 

I dont control that he doesnt pay commissions. Or fulfill his promises of profit.

 

...not paying to numerous people, even stellar marketers and give no return on investment. he uses that word "investment".

[weblord]

though not to mention all his membership in his viral mailers are very responsive , though sometimes there are people that are not contented and happy with it, they abuse by not paying commissions. now we are aware of the person.

[Darren Olander]

I just heard he is telling people that me and darren olander turned against him. And he is "more high profile" than us.

1) who cares about high profile

2) keep fooling yourself. I guess you trick others, and now your own self? that you're so high profile?

3) he started telling my members, privately, to not use my sites and those members then in turn told me.

 

I dont control that he doesnt pay commissions. Or fulfill his promises of profit.

 

...not paying to numerous people, even stellar marketers and give no return on investment. he uses that word "investment".

 

I stopped supporting him when he stopped paying commissions... that was his decision. Agree with you 100%. If he was honest and paid commissions we wouldn't even be having this discussion...

[firebyfifty]

I just heard he is telling people that me and darren olander turned against him. And he is "more high profile" than us.

1) who cares about high profile

2) keep fooling yourself. I guess you trick others, and now your own self? that you're so high profile?

3) he started telling my members, privately, to not use my sites and those members then in turn told me.

 

I dont control that he doesnt pay commissions. Or fulfill his promises of profit.

 

...not paying to numerous people, even stellar marketers and give no return on investment. he uses that word "investment".

 

To me it is simple, I had been a member of sites owned by all 3 of you before I ever heard of this forum.

 

Then ONLY one of you scammed me.

 

I then found this forum after speaking with other people who had also been scammed.

 

I remain a member at the sites owned by people who haven't scammed me. 

 

Simple really and for me personally, neither you, Darren or this forum had anything to do with me turning against him. I turned against him as a direct result of his theft of my money.

 

Nate