Matthew Graves.

[Gordon McQue]

Do people know where this Graves guy lives?

[John Lederer]

If you've lost money from this clown, have you tried disputing it with your credit card company?

Matthew tried to rip me off a couple years ago, so I threatened him and warned him not to even

try to do that to me...(it was a hollow threat and he fell for it) and refunded me!

[weblord]

The company's name is Web's Best Marketing and it's here on bbb that you can file a complaint as well as all others have done.

Do people know where this Graves guy lives?

[weblord]

way to go that's all there's to it. we're fortunate it happened online.

If you've lost money from this clown, have you tried disputing it with your credit card company?

Matthew tried to rip me off a couple years ago, so I threatened him and warned him not to even

try to do that to me...(it was a hollow threat and he fell for it) and refunded me!

[weblord]

please kindly check this post.

 

Do people know where this Graves guy lives?

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

Doesn't Maryanne have more sites than that but the difference is she actually pays commissions rather than making excuses not to pay?

 

Also in the earlier posts someone said if they cancelled the $500 chargeback on Paypal Matthew would send them $750. Does that even make sense? Another red flag with that post was the member was told to send the money to a paypal account in someone elses name. I can understand the angle of not wanting to have a bad record but do you really think he would've sent the money rather than just use the fact that you cancelled the paypal dispute admitting error on your side meaning paypal would not honour the same dispute twice?

 

My philosophy is instead of launching loads of bad sites you should launch one good site and work on that until it works the way you want it to. Then you can move to addressing another form of traffic with another site. 

 

That's why my sites TEPD and VMPD came years after TDL. 

 

 

I own about the same amount of sites now. Thats because I merged some into Pangea #1 and the Pangea #2

 

ABout the earlier post on closing the dispute ticket, then a payment would be sent... once you close a dispute ticket at Paypal... you can not open another again. So... they would have to trust it would be sent because can not dispute again.

 

But, a little birdie told me he has lost his last Paypal account last week. And it was because the programs, "investing $1000 for a guaranteed $1500" is a ponzi.

 

So those waiting to be paid through Paypal - are out of luck.

[weblord]

that's what you get for wanting to scam someone. it backfires.

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

Not only he is not paying people, and not telling people he lost his paypal (now he cant pay them as he promised 1 and a half times profit on the "investment") but he is telling others AND listing on his sites that Profitslion is number 1 worst source to use and #1goldmine is 2nd, and he even threw in my Pangea.

 

I mean, he is personally telling people this too... which is outrageous. They emailed me and told me he was doing this.

 

Profitslion and #1goldmine are 4-5 figure sites with repeat buyers or subscribers. If it were true, that wouldnt happen. People wouldnt repeatedly buy and/or keep their subscriptions.

 

At least I pay people and dont make ponzi promises. I feel sorry for those who bought his replicated script too.

 

His "network" is BANNED on ALL of my sites now.

 

UPDATE SINCE I WROTE THAT ABOVE...

I'm getting a lot of responses from people and in facebook of how they haven't been getting paid what they are owed. It's alot worse than I knew! And are glad I'm doing this. It really is just a handful of selected people who are getting paid.TWO people said they thought he was a good guy but changed (they listed different timeframes)

[cursebuster]

Kevin Brown here,...I am a blind marketing, don't know how many of us are active,...I mean marketers that are totally blind.

 

If you know any thing about blindness, then you know that internet marketing is a real challenge,...then if you can't see you monitor,...You know that compounds the effort...

 

Now enter Mathew Graves...

 

His sites are actually accessible for blind users,...so I dug right in.

 

Then I started to pay for upgrades,...Thats when I reallized that he wasn't going to pay me,...I am just a little guy in the internet marketing world, but I love doing it.

I guess because I love the challenge,...but until Mary Ann Myers posted that headsup,...I am now sure that he is not going to pay me...

Thanks Mary Ann for that info...

[weblord]

don't worry you have my support, i stopped using his mailers long time ago and he has no customer support system in place not like you have you can see your logs of emails and he does not reply at all his websites are buggy.

Not only he is not paying people, and not telling people he lost his paypal (now he cant pay them as he promised 1 and a half times profit on the "investment") but he is telling others AND listing on his sites that Profitslion is number 1 worst source to use and #1goldmine is 2nd, and he even threw in my Pangea.

 

I mean, he is personally telling people this too... which is outrageous. They emailed me and told me he was doing this.

 

Profitslion and #1goldmine are 4-5 figure sites with repeat buyers or subscribers. If it were true, that wouldnt happen. People wouldnt repeatedly buy and/or keep their subscriptions.

 

At least I pay people and dont make ponzi promises. I feel sorry for those who bought his replicated script too.

 

His "network" is BANNED on ALL of my sites now.

 

UPDATE SINCE I WROTE THAT ABOVE...

I'm getting a lot of responses from people and in facebook of how they haven't been getting paid what they are owed. It's alot worse than I knew! And are glad I'm doing this. It really is just a handful of selected people who are getting paid.TWO people said they thought he was a good guy but changed (they listed different timeframes)

[Gregory osborne]

He absolutely fell off a couple of years ago, I had been promoting through his  mailers for many years until He began replicating His sites.

He also ripped me off on my owed commissions a few times, until I got frustrated and had to put some Ummph into my communications with 

Him. He then refunded me my owed monies. Even still, I joined a few of his NEW mailers, total waste of time and effort. It's sad that people such

as Matthew seem to think that their reputation and standing in this community of online marketers won't eventually catch on to this type of behavior.

 

"Seems The Games Over For Him!!

 

http://aioptk.com/1hfm

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

Kevin Brown here,...I am a blind marketing, don't know how many of us are active,...I mean marketers that are totally blind.

 

If you know any thing about blindness, then you know that internet marketing is a real challenge,...then if you can't see you monitor,...You know that compounds the effort...

 

Now enter Mathew Graves...

 

His sites are actually accessible for blind users,...so I dug right in.

 

Then I started to pay for upgrades,...Thats when I reallized that he wasn't going to pay me,...I am just a little guy in the internet marketing world, but I love doing it.

I guess because I love the challenge,...but until Mary Ann Myers posted that headsup,...I am now sure that he is not going to pay me...

Thanks Mary Ann for that info...

 

I didn't know you were blind? At least I dont think I did? But, there are many blind or partially blind or use something called a Reader on sites. On one of my sites I explain that is why I dont have matching images or numbers to match or colors because of this. Is it easier for bots? Yes, but I have special bot catchers and take a look every once awhile. So it's worth it so people who are blind or partially, can use the sites too.

 

Anyway...... I truly thought the majority knew this stuff was going on.

Now I'm glad to have posted it. The response is HUGE and still getting emails, support tickets, and on facebook telling me their stories of no response, not getting paid, not getting the promised profits on investments, being ignored, ect

[weblord]

I think Matthew needs to answer or post his reply on this thread, at least we know his sides.

[simplygenius]

Not only he is not paying people, and not telling people he lost his paypal (now he cant pay them as he promised 1 and a half times profit on the "investment") but he is telling others AND listing on his sites that Profitslion is number 1 worst source to use and #1goldmine is 2nd, and he even threw in my Pangea.

 

I mean, he is personally telling people this too... which is outrageous. They emailed me and told me he was doing this.

 

Profitslion and #1goldmine are 4-5 figure sites with repeat buyers or subscribers. If it were true, that wouldnt happen. People wouldnt repeatedly buy and/or keep their subscriptions.

 

At least I pay people and dont make ponzi promises. I feel sorry for those who bought his replicated script too.

 

His "network" is BANNED on ALL of my sites now.

 

UPDATE SINCE I WROTE THAT ABOVE...

I'm getting a lot of responses from people and in facebook of how they haven't been getting paid what they are owed. It's alot worse than I knew! And are glad I'm doing this. It really is just a handful of selected people who are getting paid.TWO people said they thought he was a good guy but changed (they listed different timeframes)

 

 

hmmm....so this is where the eggs end up hatching...

 

ever heard of the financial term "overtrading"?

 

Well that's exactly what is happening in this scenario

here where the circumstances become extenuating due

to your own expectations of outcomes not falling in line with 

your expected cash inflow...so you end up in an overtraded

position and the end result...you end up owing your creditors.

 

No investment should be guaranteed instead they should be

conditioned (that's why you have exception clauses in contracts)

and though the managers of the Your Viral Network may very well

have good intentions the outcome for the expected income needed

to pay back investors did not materialize so it's not necessarily a 

scam but an unfulfilled promised that might end up in perpetuity.

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

 

hmmm....so this is where the eggs end up hatching...

 

ever heard of the financial term "overtrading"?

 

No investment should be guaranteed instead they should be

conditioned (that's why you have exception clauses in contracts)

and though the managers of the Your Viral Network may very well

have good intentions the outcome for the expected income needed

to pay back investors did not materialize so it's not necessarily a 

scam but an unfulfilled promised that might end up in perpetuity.

 

 

 

This isnt someone new, and this is just 1 person (no managers) and he has been around since 2004 I think. So, he just isn't doing it period (paying commissions owed on sales - the sale comes in and the 25% or whatever isnt paid even though the money is there). This is different than promising a share of the profits and sell more than 4 shares, or paying $850 on a $500 invested.

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

don't worry you have my support, i stopped using his mailers long time ago and he has no customer support system in place not like you have you can see your logs of emails and he does not reply at all his websites are buggy.

 

Thank you and that's another thing people keep saying "bugs or offline alot"

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

He absolutely fell off a couple of years ago, I had been promoting through his  mailers for many years until He began replicating His sites.

He also ripped me off on my owed commissions a few times, until I got frustrated and had to put some Ummph into my communications with 

Him. He then refunded me my owed monies. Even still, I joined a few of his NEW mailers, total waste of time and effort. It's sad that people such

as Matthew seem to think that their reputation and standing in this community of online marketers won't eventually catch on to this type of behavior.

 

"Seems The Games Over For Him!!

 

http://aioptk.com/1hfm

 

Thats what I think too, that its 2-3 years ago and then 19 replicated copies of the same site suddenly. And WAY WAY over inflated member counts.

 

So far, the biggest commissions owed and then not paid is over $200 (someone told me this)

[weblord]

he always say he's going to upgrade or update but he's not doing anything, i guess busy counting money

yes it's full of errors the mailer sometimes hang you out and it sometimes display 404 specially when checking the mailing history to get my stats. i guess he's not interested anymore in updating the websites but he's websites are good at first, i started with him long before i joined your websites.now so sad he's turning into these.

Thank you and that's another thing people keep saying "bugs or offline alot"

[simplygenius]

This isnt someone new, and this is just 1 person (no managers) and he has been around since 2004 I think. So, he just isn't doing it period (paying commissions owed on sales - the sale comes in and the 25% or whatever isnt paid even though the money is there). This is different than promising a share of the profits and sell more than 4 shares, or paying $850 on a $500 invested.

 

Well that's a separate scenario from what I'm describing above. For upgrades and commissions falling due not paid from the immediate sale then it will result in a sad state of affair and what will result is a misplacement of trust.

 

I read most of Matthew's "sell psyched" kinda FOMO emails and becoming a site partner mumbo jumbo and has never been sold on a single one of them, why? Simply because it appears he has very poor or non existent customer support in place. It took the better part of six months to stop having sending a charge to my credit card as I have cancelled the subscription months ago after a tiresome runaround for days on end.

 

It seems somewhat of a one man operation with this dude still wearing too may hats in operations and after 15 years how come 19 or so sites are running on single engine???!!! 

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

Well... good you didnt because people are opening forum posts and even taking polls of not getting paid.

 

I've been in business for 21 years, have a larger membership base, program my own sites (20 of them), design them, answer support tickets, do the server admin, answer facebook, answer emails, promote and do my payouts by hand. I don't have autoresponders to send my emails, I do them by hand. So its possible to wear many hats and get it done.

 

Ok, several have asked which sites they are, and I said I would post them here, in this forum....

 

unlockyourlist
quickstartcoach
unlockyourwealthpotential
yourviralbanners
hotlistmailer (NOT hotspotmailer - I own the hotspotmailer one)
legendsmailer
yourvirallist
toptiertraffic
websbestmailer
websbesttraffic
splashpagetraffic
webbizinsider
SocialMessageConnect
InstantProfitMailer
WebsBestMailer
100PercentMailer
splittestmailer
TopTierMailer
100percenttraffic
superchargedsoloads
whatworks4me
yoursuccessadvantage
EmailMarketingMasters
InstantProfitMailer
10XMailer
secretlaunchteam
websbestmarketing
guaranteedadprofit
autofreeleads
ysa10
ysa1
ysa5

allactivemailer

splashpagesurfer

yourviraltraffic.com

yourviralmailer.com

[Barry Davison]

 Unfortunatly I Was Conned By Him In His Scam It Starts Like This

 

 In His Fake Charity Scams

 

 He Was Selling A 13,000+ Downline LifeTime And A Premium Lifetime Membership For $200

 In WebizInsider To Help A Women Called Shirley Who Supposidly Had Cancer

 I Brought A Downline And Premium So All Was Fine For A While But Then Webizinsider Was

 Relaunched I Lost All My Downline I Was Down To 20 Members It Was To Late To Get My Money

 Back So He Offered Another Premium Membership To Compinsate Months When By Excuses

 Were Made So I Decided To Tell Him What A Thief And Scammer He Is I Speak My Mind If I Been

 Conned I Will Call A Person A Thief Scammer I Tell It How It Is I'm Not One For Liking

 For People Losing There PayPal Accounts But With Him I Cheered And Clapped

[weblord]

i really admire you and you know that, it's not a satire lol, i really do. you're a good woman, since you returned good for evil they done to you.

you just given the guy a free ads as they bad publicity is still bad publicity everywhere and even here on online. at least he can search this thread on google and at least let him defend his name by replying on this thread and straighten out this messed done on his websites and done on his reputation if he wanted to..

Well... good you didnt because people are opening forum posts and even taking polls of not getting paid.

 

I've been in business for 21 years, have a larger membership base, program my own sites (20 of them), design them, answer support tickets, do the server admin, answer facebook, answer emails, promote and do my payouts by hand. I don't have autoresponders to send my emails, I do them by hand. So its possible to wear many hats and get it done.

 

Ok, several have asked which sites they are, and I said I would post them here, in this forum....

 

unlockyourlist
quickcashsolos
quickstartcoach
unlockyourwealthpotential
yourviralbanners
hotlistmailer
legendsmailer
yourvirallist
toptiertraffic
websbestmailer
websbesttraffic
splashpagetraffic
webbizinsider
SocialMessageConnect
InstantProfitMailer
WebsBestMailer
100PercentMailer
splittestmailer
TopTierMailer
100percenttraffic
superchargedsoloads
whatworks4me
yoursuccessadvantage
EmailMarketingMasters
InstantProfitMailer
10XMailer
secretlaunchteam
websbestmarketing
guaranteedadprofit
autofreeleads
ysa10
ysa1
ysa5

[Len Koski]

Thanks for that list Maryanne but I'd like to mention that Quick Cash Solos is owned by Dave Mosher and not Matthew.

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

Ooops.... My mistake. I will get that off the list above. Thanks for letting me know!!

[Maryanne Myers -Webstars2K]

i really admire you and you know that, it's not a satire lol, i really do. you're a good woman, since you returned good for evil they done to you.

you just given the guy a free ads as they bad publicity is still bad publicity everywhere and even here on online. at least he can search this thread on google and at least let him defend his name by replying on this thread and straighten out this messed done on his websites and done on his reputation if he wanted to..

 

I'm flattered.. that you say that. but I dont think this type of bad publicity gets 'em free advertising, quite fits the situation here tho. This is different. LOL if anyone is getting free advertising, its this forum! hehehe